'Deport him’: Iain Lees-Galloway pressured to reverse residency decision

The AM Show 01/11/2018

A former Immigration Minister says a criminal’s safety shouldn't have been an issue in deciding whether he would be deported or not.

Czech immigrant Karel Sroubek received permanent residency last week, despite coming here on a false passport and imprisoned for importing class B drugs.

While Immigration Minister Iain Lees-Galloway has refused to say why Sroubek isn't being deported, citing privacy and legal reasons, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said earlier this week Kiwis "reading between the lines" could figure it out.

Sroubek says he fled the Czech Republic to escape corrupt cops after witnessing a murder.

National MP Michael Woodhouse, who was Immigration Minister between 2013 and 2017, told The AM Show on Thursday that Mr Lees-Galloway should have ignored Sroubek's claims.

"Rather than ask the question of whether New Zealand would be better or worse off by him staying, he asked whether Sroebek would be more or less safe if he left. That's completely the wrong way to look through this."

Mr Lees-Galloway says new information has come to light since he made the call to give Sroubek residency.

Karel Sroubek. Photo: Supplied.

"I am now taking advice on my options and need to consider the veracity of the new information that has been made available to me," he said on Wednesday.

Mr Woodhouse says Mr Lees-Galloway was under no pressure to make a decision since Sroubek has about another year of prison ahead of him.

"This guy's in jail, he didn't need to rush the decision. He could have asked his officials to go back, interview, talk to Czech officials. We're not talking about a failed state here... They didn't have to hurry it."

Mr Woodhouse told The AM Show he sometimes did grant residency to criminals, but not if they broke one of his three "bottom lines".

"There are criminal offences committed by people who are recently residents in New Zealand, and there is a prerogative to suspend or cancel that. I did do that in cases of relatively minor offending where the person may have come in as a young person, and their ties to the community and their family links are very strong, they have remorse, they have jobs and so on.

"There were three bottom lines for me though - that was serious family violence, sexual offending and drug importation and supply. Those guys were gone, and so should this one."

But in April last year it was revealed Immigration NZ granted residency to Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari, a 58-year-old man twice convicted of sexual offending since arriving here in 2012.

"That was a shocker, and I announced... that I was so disappointed with the decision that was made by a senior official, that I suspended Immigration NZ's delegated authority to make those decisions until I could be satisfied that they understood that that was a bad decision," said Mr Woodhouse, adding that he had no legal way of overturning the call.

"I wanted to get rid of him and I couldn't. Lees-Galloway can get rid of this guy, and he hasn't. It's the completely opposite scenario. The law prevented me once that decision had been made. If new information comes to light or he offends again, then that can come back before Immigration NZ or the minister... I did everything I could."

Immigration Minister Iain Lees-Galloway. Photo: Newshub.

Immigration NZ's decision-making powers were only stripped for about two weeks, NZME reported in May 2017.

Mr Woodhouse is adamant that in the four years he was Immigration Minister, he never granted residency to anyone whose offending matched the scale of Sroubek's. The AM Show host Duncan Garner asked if he'd resign, should a similar case come to light.

"If you can find an equivalent decision where I supported a drug-dealing liar to stay in this country, then I'm happy to hear from you. You find the file, we'll have the conservation."

National Party leader Simon Bridges has called for Mr Lees-Galloway to resign the immigration portfolio. Mr Woodhouse isn't so sure, saying Mr Lees-Galloway still has time to make things right.

"One of them should go. In fact, probably both of them should go. But let's see how this plays out.

"If the minister has any sort of compassion for this country and leadership, he should immediately rescind his decision and deport him."

ACT leader David Seymour isn't so bullish either, saying Mr Lees-Galloway might just have been given bad advice, which "could happen to any minister".

"We don't know what the facts are. We don't know why it is he appears to have made a decision based on the wrong information. I think it's a bit premature to ask somebody to resign...

"Both Labour and National agree with the principle of having a minister with discretion, the question is what happens when they get the wrong information?"

He even said it wasn't right to call Mr Lees-Galloway's initial call "embarrassing".

"These things happen."

Watch the full interview with Michael Woodhouse above.

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