Suicide reporting: Will it help?

By kane

Yes Their are two kinds of people who would commit suicide... Someone who goes thou a long period of depression... And on a different scale someone like me... Who had a long term partner leave me all of a sudden and with no warning... So mine was different to a prolonged period of time thinking about it... I think their is a difference between both... Even tho they lead to the same place... Maybe reporting might help.... But in my case just someone to talk to made a big difference... I had never felt like that before no record of depression I was just your average kiwi guy... And I now know it can happen at any-time to anyone... No one I think is emuine to it... I am surprised this topic hasn't had many comments.. As I think it is a major issue... I myself know of 4 people personally who have committed suicide though out my life... So I think most of us would at least know of one person...

By Corolass

I believe suicide should be talked about more. I dont think the details should be published but I do think people need to be aware of how great a problem it is.
I speak from experience. Our beloved son took his own life 2 years ago. It has shattered our very close loving family and completly devastated his broken parents.
A broken marriage, the manipulation by his ex wife, including visitation to his children, his rights were totally non existant. Any time the ex wanted something she would threaten and bully until she got her own way. He ended up paying out so much money it broke him, he himself did not have enough to live on and only existed. He constantly visited the IRD to ask them to check as he was sure he was paying out too much, his case manager wouldnt listen and he felt anything he tried to discuss with her was useless. He was a male so he was guilty.
The very, very sad thing for us was after he died we got a large refund from IRD because he had been paying too much. If only she had listened.
Every which way he turned he came up against red tape and lack of any empathy for his role as his childrens father.
I would like to see more understanding for men in these situations, and more support given to them, that alone could bring down some of the male suicides.
We have been shocked at the way he was treated and what it has cost our family and his children.How dare public servants treat our son so badly.
I feel by more people talking about the depths of despair that can cause this terrible thing to happen. People need to become more aware that this could happen to someone they love.
I get very angry and distraught at the thoughtless comments by people who have no idea of how low a person can feel before they take that final step.
I wish some people were kinder and more mindful of giving their opinions to the parents of a suicide.
But this is where I believe more education is needed.
A suicidal person is NOT selfish, is NOT taking the easy way out, is NOT a coward and is not topping themself. They have chosen their own path, it might not be your way, but then you obviously dont know as you havent been to the depths of despair the suicidal person has been to, so they need to respect that.
The suicidal person is in such a black place they can see no other option and suicide is about taking the pain away because they cannot cope any longer. They do not set out to cause as much sorrow as they can, or even think about the devastation they leave behind. They have only one thought in place and that is an end to the pain, suffering and grief they are swallowed up in.
Our son knew how much we loved him and he hoped we would understand his decision. We try to, and always will love him, we try to understand the dark place he went too as we saw the grief it caused him.
The trouble I have, is, that I didnt anticipate his solution to his problems, which leaves me with guilt right through to my soul as I didnt see it coming.
I miss him.

By kane

Suicide is a dark place if you have been their and are lucky enough to come back out... You never are the same the thought of that low point stays with you for ever... I just needed someone to talk to besides friends and family as I felt A stranger might understand me better and how I felt... First place I turned to was the phone book but had problems finding the right place I knew what I was feeling was wrong... Its still hard to explain the feelings but over whelming would be the best words to use... I would of even happily gone to a place in person... Long story short I ended up ringing the police They put me on to one of their counsellors... And it was the best thing I could have done... The two hour convo on the phone really did help and I still be leave that that convo saved my life... And I am very lucky to be here today... I think a place to go... Or a number to ring in big righting on the inside of the phone book would save life's!!! For people like me...

By mel

...under reporting hasn't brought it down has it.

By The_Frugal_Socialist

As Mr Tony Ryall has cut 4.1 million in funding to the Like Minds Like Mine programme, there seems little hope for any preventive action from the government to occur. In fact the media is sadly the only hope to alerting those with suicidal thoughts to seek professional help asap. Rapid onset of depression can occur to any person under stress, we all have a tipping point, a threshold.. This can lead to suicide if it makes sense to this stressed person. We must not also forget that there are certain conditions when suicide is logical. The perception or realisation of hopelessness in any given situation is too common in a society that pressures individuals to handle it on your own. Even the rich realise they aren't so bulletproof, buying anti depressants at an all time high, and dialing a therapist for any little issue. Its not about preventing all suicides, but there certainly is some that could and should have been prevented. What does Mr Ryall offer that is the equivalent of a seatbelt? The public must demand more preventative measures. Many suicide attempts have been diffused by the critical mental health teams around the country. Lets hope their voice and expertise is heard.

By John

I think is is about time that the public knew of the actual numbers of our youth taking their own lives. Having had previousdly worked in the area realating to suicides, I can tell you that what we need to look at is the the reasons behind the depresssion. Because folks, you don't kill yourself when you are on top of the world. You do this because you are totally in the dolldrums. Depressed. I conducted a study of those most at risk of committing suicide. 19-25 year old males were the most at risk of committing the act from the information available. Further research showed that around 90% had cannabis in their system as a result of the toxichology reports. Be mindful of the fact that these were only the suicides thsat I was looking at, so it may very well vary region by region. Cannabis is a depressant and as previoiussly touched on you do not kill yourself when in a happy space. I totally agree with putting the numbers out there in the public domain but would also like associated information available as well such as "what was in their system" at the time of death.

By Emma

Having managed a suicide bereavement service for a number of years, most people who complete suicide did not have current mental health problems. The reasons behind suicide are many and varied, including relationship breakdown, criminal charges pending, terminal illness diagnoses, as well as depression. And those are just the reasons that those who are left behind are aware of. I am unconvinced that increased reporting will have any impact on the suicide rate.

By Kevin Owen

We need to look at the treatments [antidepressants, electric shock treatments etc] being dished out by psychiatrists and psychologists. We all know of the suicidal side effects of antidepressants etc.

I phoned the furnerals homes in my area awhile back to see why there were so many suicides in the Rotorua Area. They told me off the record that 9 out of 10 suicides were after psychiatric help. We need to find out if these treatments are increasing the suicide level and make those doing it accountable for the vast number of suicides after their treatment.

CCHR- A Documentary MAKING A KILLING,
the untold story of Psychotropic Drugging.
http://www.psychosomatic-healing.co.nz/cchr-making-a-killing.html

Free Kit [Psychiatry and Industry of Death]
http://www.psychosomatic-healing.co.nz/psychiatry-industry-death.html

Psychiatry: No Cures No Science [4 mins]
http://www.cchrint.org/videos/mostviewed/nsnc/
Psychiatrists openly admitting at the 2006 APA convention that they have no scientific tests to prove mental illness and have no cures for these unproven mental illnesses.