Muz - yea, I suppose you're right, but Pat has a kind of car crash quality which is hard to ignore. I maintain that religion isn't the cause of war, it's just the excuse and Pat's bilious rage is misdirected. If you feel like a debate on religion, there's a real doozie going on at the moment at Kiwiblog.

@Chris Maybe you should try to avoid pressing the play button if you've had enough. Personally I can't get enough of the guy's intelligent, insightful comments.

Okay Pat. I think you've made your point. Enough already. Wish Graeme would stick on something by Jon Stewart each week. Daily Show - Always fresh.